GG Allin: …Guards pacing back and forth and all, so. But I don’t know, it’s an idea. I’ve thought about it.
Interviewer: I guess you wouldn’t really be free to speak your mind.
GG Allin: Well I could say what I wanted, but just to put a lot of emphasis on the feeling. Sometimes I get a little carried away. (laughs). This thing I did over the phone with this guy in Boston came out pretty cool. I was pretty amazed. When he played it for me over the phone I could hear it pretty well and it sounded pretty intense.
Interviewer: Well, maybe when you get out your first performance will be a spoken word performance, and maybe we could tape that and release that as an album or something.
GG Allin: Yeah definitely. I’d definitely be open for that. Did Charles Bernstein send you a copy of that newspaper that him and I did an interview in? It just came out. It’s ah…-
Interviewer: Oh yeah, I have an ad in that paper. I’ll be getting it shortly.
GG Allin: You should be getting it because I got one here yesterday. I haven’t seen it yet because they don’t want to let it in. I have to have a hearing- I’ll get it, but it’ll take a couple of days. But it’s here and I think that there’s an interview yeah, I’m sure your ad’s in it there. Yeah, the last time he wrote to me he and I got into an argument. We straightened it out. He said something about – he called me a liar or some shit. I blasted it the fuck out of him. Cause he was saying that I wasn’t signed with Enigma. I had the contracts to prove it. I guess Enigma was telling people I didn’t sign with them. They were trying to deny it. But they can’t deny it because I’ve got the fucking contracts!
Interviewer: Yeah really- Hey, it’s their loss, right?
GG Allin: Yeah, that’s the way I look at it, because Ever Rat’s got a pretty good thing here. All the publicity I’m getting right now. I’ve fucking got to sell. And if it doesn’t I have a lot of copies left over when I get out (laughs). I don’t know. At least it’s coming out, so whatever.
Interviewer: Well, if worse comes to worst, you can always go back to square one and sell them at your shows just like beginners.
GG Allin: You know, I wouldn’t mind doing that to tell you the truth. I used to say when I got on Homestead it was great because my first album, the original one, I sat down and folded every copy and stuck them together – fuckin’ – I mean 2000 of those fucking things. If you can find one now you’ll probably pay $100 for it. They got them in record stores. Every once in a while you’ll find one for fifty, but… I remember sticking all those things together. Jeez, I don’t know if I’d want to go back to doing that again. It’s kind of neat, though, putting out your own records, because you don’t have to worry about censorship.
Interviewer: Oh yeah, I know.
GG Allin: Because all these big companies are so fucking afraid, and when you put your own records you just don’t give a shit. What are they going to do? I mean, they’re not really going to take the time to come and arrest somebody in an apartment. Well, they might. I don’t know, it’s getting to that point.
Interviewer: Well, in the case of [unintelligable], they raided his apartment.
GG Allin: Ah, I guess you’re right. They did. He had a lot of shit in there. He spent all his money on that shit.
Interviewer: He was facing up to a year in jail and a two-thousand dollar fine. And to fight it he ended up taking a year and a half of his life, and all the other people involved. You know what they brought in in the court? They brought in the guy who owned a pressing plant who pressed a record, for crying out loud.
GG Allin: Yeah, they made a big deal out of that. I remember when all that was happening. Yeah, that took a long time. It actually broke up the band as well.
Interviewer: It put Greenworld (?) out of business, too.
GG Allin: Yep. A lot of record companies now, I heard that Enigma laid off 25 people. I don’t know where I heard and if it’s true, but I heard it from a fairly reputable source. So I don’t know if it’s the record companies in general, or what? I mean, records don’t, and I don’t know what the situation is out there at the moment. It seems like CDs are the only things that record stores have any more.
Interviewer: Well, yeah a lot of the chain stores have eliminated vinyl. Your friend from Black and Blue Records, he said that the vinyl has outsold both CD and cassette combined, I believe he said.
GG Allin: How good’s that show?
Interviewer: It’s pretty good! (laughs).
GG Allin: I was wondering because I heard a little bit about it.
Interviewer: I’ve got the whole show. It’s all clean copy and they do that cover that they did of your song to close up the show with.
GG Allin: Darkness in a Bottle, I believe it was. I know which one you mean. I can’t think of it. Huh. That’s pretty cool.
Interviewer: And let’s see. They mentioned that it was written by you and so forth. And wipes his face in Black and Blue and doesn’t shut up for two minutes!
GG Allin: (laughs) That’s mature. One more question, then I’ll let you go. Did you ever get back in touch with Murrow? I talked to him briefly about it, but I told him that, you know, to get in touch with you or whatever.
Interviewer: Last time I talked to him he was just finishing a really hectic week. We were saying (unintelligible) maybe next week, ‘coz you know cha-cha-cha and the whole bit.
GG Allin: But you want to do it, and maybe wait until this holiday shit’s over or whatever. And give him call around the first of January. I already told when I talked to him that I didn’t have any objections to you photocopying them.
Interviewer: There’ll be a record collector’s show I think in mid-January.
GG Allin: You know what we should do, I’ve been thinking?
GG Allin: How many copies of that record do you still have?
Interviewer: 25 red, 25 black.
GG Allin: That’s all?
Interviewer: That’s all right now.
GG Allin: I was thinking we should send me the cover and I could autograph them. Or you should just autograph them! (laughs) People would believe it anyway. You should bring those there. You’d probably sell them all that day.
Interviewer: Yeah. I actually have copies of the sleeves.
GG Allin: Yeah. ‘Coz I was thinking it could be something that you could sell, you know. ‘Coz I could get stuff that people have sent me in here that I’ve been able to sign and get back to them. Like cassette covers and record covers and all sorts of shit.
Interviewer: But they can’t send you any cassettes themselves, can they?
GG Allin: No. I can’t get cassettes. I can only get the covers. (laughs) A lot of good that’s going to do me.
Interviewer: (unintelligible) cover musician.
GG Allin: You should bring them anyway. You’d probably sell a few of them.
Interviewer: Yeah, ok. Hey GG, I hate to bring this up.
GG Allin: Go ahead. Bring it up.
Interviewer: The appeal. How did it go? Was your case accepted?
GG Allin: The appeal. Fucking bring that up. Actually, I’m not going back on my appeal until January. It was supposed to go by, but then all the holidays. Everyone’s on vacation right now. Fucking judges are on vacation, they don’t get back till January. He said as soon as he gets back in January he’s going to fit me in before the end of the month. I thought that’s pretty cool, because he’s only going for fucking week and a half anyway. The way I look at it is, I’ll be out sometime in ’91. It’s not far from ’91 now. As soon as I know when I’m getting out I going to start, like, putting flyers out and stuff. Like ‘GG Allin’s out in ’91 and not getting any prettier.’ With a picture of my face on it. So I’m definitely looking forward to getting out and back on the road and shit. Oh and I just wrote this great thing called ‘GG Allin: Mission.’ This guy typed it out for me. I wrote and sent it out to him and this motherfucker typed it. It was so good this guy’s printing it in a newspaper that he works for. I’ll send you a copy of that, too. He sent me ten copies yesterday and I mailed all ten copies out because I had like, flipside (?) and alternative Western shit and I wanted to get it out. But as soon as he sends me another twenty copies I’ll get you one.
GG Allin: All right, I’m going to let you go.
Interviewer: No, that’s alright, we’ve got plenty of time tonight. Could I ask you a few questions?
GG Allin: Yeah, go ahead.
Interviewer: First off, I hear you’ve been letting your hair and your beard grow?
GG Allin: Well my hair at the moment, you wouldn’t believe it. I shaved my head, but now what I did was I let it grow in. And one day I got fucking, I went into the bathroom and started shaving it. And it was so fucked up that I had fucking tats (?) on it, and I thought I would just leave it like this. It’s got like mange. With fucking spots on it and there’s hair sticking out everywhere. And I got (unintelligible). And I got this fucking piece of hair on my chin that just goes down. It’s pretty fucked up looking.
Interviewer: So that’s why you didn’t send us a picture of what you look like now.
GG Allin: Well, I didn’t want to. We only do pictures in here once a month and you’ve got to sign up for it, and I fucking spaced out and didn’t sign up. So the next time I could get a picture would be January. But I plan on getting on and then I’m actually going to get a few, get them sent out, get somebody I know to make an 8 x 10 of it or something. I look quite a lot different when I came in. I look way more fucked up now. I don’t know the corrections (unintelligible). I’ll be walking out more fucked up than when I walked in. (laughs).
Interviewer: That’ll show ‘em.
GG Allin: Yeah that’s right! They’ll be like, geez, this guy as supposed to be rehabilitated but this motherfucker – look at this guy! (laughs). I think that’s great, because I just walk around here and people just look at me like this guy has really fucking lost it. Because I don’t, I don’t let these motherfuckers tell me what to do. I just do whatever the fuck I want.
Interviewer: They can only impose so much restrictions on you, huh?
GG Allin: Yup. They can’t really; it would be discrimination, too, telling me how to cut my hair. I supposed if I went and slashed myself they could get me with destruction of state property. When I first got here one day, I was in the bathroom shaving. I was shaving my chest because I shave everything. And I cut myself, or cut my nipple, so I was bleeding all over the place. And then the guards come in and they were like ‘What they fuck are you doing? and I was like ‘What the eff does it look like I’m doing?’ ‘Why are you shaving your chest for? I haven’t shaved my chest since I was fucking 17 years old. And they grabbed me and took me to the psychiatrist. They told me if I was in there cutting myself and shit, and they said they were going to take me to a psychiatric ward and put me in a fucking straitjacket! But I’m still doing it – I do it when the guards aren’t around.
Interviewer: Oh boy.
GG Allin: It was hilarious, though, because I’m so used to doing it, and when they came in and grabbed I was like ‘What the fuck what are these guys doing now?’ You know?
Interviewer: Yeah, it’s like, do you want me inside of the jail, or outside of the jail?
GG Allin: They don’t know what to expect of me. What are they going to do next? One day I’ll look one way and another day I’ll look a completely different way.
Interviewer: Hey, a quick question: could I ever come in there, or could someone ever come in there with a camera and take a picture of you?
GG Allin: No, they don’t let any cameras or any recording devices in. You can only get picture taken by the institutional camera. They won’t even let us take a picture. They must be afraid that someone will put a fucking tape recorder on and catch some of these conversations with the guards. They just don’t want someone to hear what does on in here.
Interviewer: So are visitors searched?
GG Allin: Oh, absolutely. But not to the extent that the prisoners are searched. We get strip-searched in and out. I think what happens, when people come in, from what they’ve told me, they run them under this thing like at an airport. And then they just, you know, pat them down and if there’s anything real extreme. I mean, when I went and visited Casey on death row, it wasn’t even that extreme. They searched us, but it wasn’t like a strip search or nothing.
Interviewer: Casey, is he still alive?
GG Allin: Yeah, Casey’s on death row at Illinois. HE’s been there for about ten years. I wrote to him about a year and a half back, but since I’ve been arrested they won’t let me write him. But my brother writes to him and talks to him and shit. But as a matter of fact, I got a painting in (unintelligible) apartment, which is one of me. It’s one of the paintings that I want you to get a picture of.
Interviewer: When I get a little free time – my schedule’s hectic, as I’ve said – I’ve got some things happening in January and February.
GG Allin: You can do it in your own time. It’s not anything that’s in a great hurry to do it. If you’ve got the time to do it, do it. But it’s not like it’s something that has to be done. It would be a good idea to maybe, uh, get a shot of the painting and blow it up. That sounds pretty cool.
Interviewer: That’s what I intend to do.
GG Allin: I think that’s a good idea. Because nobody’s ever seen that painting, unless they’ve gone to Merl’s (?). If you got a nice colour picture of that motherfucker, made a nice 8 x 10, you know, painting by John Wayne Casey of Fuji-Allen (?). That motherfucker would be great.
Interviewer: Alright. I’ll do that.
GG Allin: I wouldn’t have any objections to that. Whatever.
Interviewer: Okay. I haven’t spoken to anybody yet about the booking, I’m not sure when you are getting out.
GG Allin: You’re best to wait on it. Definitely wait on it ‘till I’ve got an out date. Because everything’s so unpredictable in here; I’m guessing that even when I do get out, there won’t be any shows ‘till at least spring time or summer. ‘Coz I’ve got to get out, get a commercial placement, hang out there, see the parole board every week. So we’re probably looking at about anywhere between 4 and 6 months away. Something like that. But I’ll definitely keep you updated, keep this thing going; and when I get out we’ll do something.
Interviewer: That’ll bring GG Allin to their senses.
GG Allin: Yeah I think I’ll do some shows. Probably around New York or Jersey area. We could definitely set them up. When I get out of here there’s going to be a lot of things to do.
Interviewer: Who managed you in the past?
GG Allin: Nobody.
Interviewer: This was all done by yourself?
GG Allin: Yup, it’s pretty amazing. I’ve never had a manager. It’s probably why I’ve never had a tour. We weren’t really coordinated. We used to jump on a bus to Chicago, Florida, California. There wasn’t really anything in between (laughs).
Interviewer: Well, my best knowledge is Philadelphia, New Jersey and New York City.
GG Allin: Yeah. We should do that. If you can book something, and coordinate it, we could do a number of shows. I’d be into it. I’d definitely do it. And then, if you had any free time, and wanted to come out the Midwest and play around Chicago, I could probably do that. I know people all over the country.
Interviewer: That’s beautiful.
GG Allin: I plan on getting some ads out, in the margins of Maxim and (unintelligible) to say, you know, that GG’s out, he’s touring and call this number.
Interviewer: You’ll probably need a new number. I mean, another phone number that is –
GG Allin: Yeah that might be, probably should. You get a lot of calls you can hook a machine up to it.
Interviewer: Nixon has his own national hotline you can call. (unintelligible)
GG Allin: Oh really? Nixon was on a fucking radio show in Chicago and, I was talking to some guy, he mentioned me. On a big radio station. And, what the fuck did he say, he asked Mojo Nixon you’re stage show is pretty rough, he said yeah but it ain’t no GG Allin! (laughs) It’s good to be acknowledged. Even Sonic Youth say that.
Interviewer: Yeah, I have a copy of that article from Rolling Stone –
GG Allin: Yeah, that’s great isn’t it? It’s good that, even though they are on the verge of big success, that they mention me. It’s true what they said. I’m surprised they said it, because I’ve never said anything good about them. Every time I did an interview I’d bad mouth the shit out of them.
Interviewer: People like abuse.
GG Allin: Yeah. I think so, too. But everything’s looking cool, though, so. Everything’s cool. I’ll definitely keep in touch and keep this thing rolling. In the meantime, I’ll get you some copies of everything I’ve got. I’ll probably give you a call in a few weeks and update you on the situation.
Interviewer: When’s a good time to meet your brother?
GG Allin: Oh shit. He works from 12 noon to 8. So anything past 9 o’clock at night.
Interviewer: He has a band or something?
GG Allin: Yeah, he’s playing with Joe Christ, which, it’s funny because Joe Christ opened for me in Texas. And I guess one of the guys from (unintelligible) Patrol is playing, and, yeah. He told me that, as soon as I get out, he’s going to drop everything and play for me. I want him to play bass for me when I get my electric show together. He wants to do that.
Interviewer: I had a brief idea of maybe helping him out with promotion and, uh, billing him as quote unquote GG Allin’s brother.
GG Allin: My brother’s good. He’s been in a lot of bands, a lot of albums himself. I can’t imagine, anything he’s involved with is worth looking into. You haven’t met my brother, have you?
Interviewer: No, I haven’t. But I’ve talked to him over the phone a few times.
GG Allin: You’d like him, I mean, he’s not quite as crazy as I am but he’s go the same rock and roll attitude. He’s into the whole thing. I think you’d get along with him.
Interviewer: How old is he?
GG Allin: Uhh, 34?
Interviewer: He’s, like, a year or two older than you?
GG Allin: Yeah, he’s got a skinhead. He looks like he plays in a band – he’s got tattoos all over him. He’s just got that look about him that if you saw him on the street you’d be like this guy plays in a fucking band. He’s got that New York street look about him. Plus, he can play. Motherfucker’s one of the best bass players I’ve ever played with, but I could never get into a band with him because he was married and I hated his wife, and when I was married I hated his wife.
Interviewer: You were married?
GG Allin: I was married once. (laughs). I was married for like three years and I was like fuck that.
GG Allin: Well, I was married a long time ago, around when we had the first Jabbers (?) single out. The main reason we got a divorce was the band. It was so out of control. I’d come home bloody every night, and I was just a miserable son of a bitch to live with anyway. So we just said fuck it. I had to get around and about doing tours, and she wasn’t into it. And then when I got out of that he got married. I was like great he’s not married; I just got a divorce, great let’s make a band. But then he got fucking married and I hated that bitch. I went out with this other girl. Got her pregnant three times. She was only seventeen – nearly got into a lot of shit for that. And he hated her. I don’t know, we just never managed to get it together. But now, the girl he’s married to now, is cool.
Interviewer: This is his second wife?
GG Allin: Yeah, the second wife. She’s cool. When we met her she was after me. We met her at a (unintelligible) show and she came onto me. Then we both took her home. But I got a little too rough with and Merl gave me Valium to knock me out.
GG Allin: And then he took over! (laughs). I never forgave him for that (laughs). She was with both of us for long time and then I was like fuck it I don’t want to do this I’m going on the road, so, he married her.
Interviewer: Yeah. How old were you when you first got married?
GG Allin: Twenty-two. Twenty-one, twenty-two. And I married a girl who was 18, just out of high school. I mean, this bitch was a modelling instructor. Once we were friends, we just couldn’t live together. The second bitch, I fucked anything that walked. I just did not give a shit. I didn’t like being married.
Interviewer: When you turn forty, you’re going to settle down and get married –
GG Allin: Oh, never. I’m not the marrying kind. You ever heard that song by Hank Williams?
Interviewer: No, but I have heard of Hank Williams, though.
GG Allin: The album that he’s got out, he’s got this song. I mean, I love Hank Williams, but I am just an old Williams, the older Williams –
Interviewer: Hank Williams Senior?
GG Allin: Yeah, I mean, that’s why, when I did my acoustic record, I didn’t want to do a lot of production with it, without drums or bass. I just wanted it to be raw vocals and bass, because that’s what I love. And when I listen to Hank Williams it’s just real raw. Like that old Foxtrot (?) Willy or Stonewall Jackson or Skeeter Davis – I mean that shit is great! I’m fucking, man, I could listen to that shit all day long.
Interviewer: Yeah, the more you listen to the record the more it reminds me old (unintelligible) Williams or the old blues jazz stuff, like ’78, you know?
GG Allin: Yeah, I like that too. I just like that primitive sounding, depressing kind of, you know. Plus it’s true they were singing while it was actually happening. I mean, I recorded that, something that I sat down and said well I’m going to write this ‘coz it goes. I just sat down in a bathroom one day and I started, put the tape recorder on and started singing that mother fucker and when I was done I said man, this is fucking incredible. I gotta record this! No-one will ever put it out, but I’m going to record this anyway so that when I die it’ll be there. And then you said that you’d put something out, and this is the opportunity to get this record. I mean I still personally think it’s a great record, and probably always will, regardless of what the reviews say. It’s kind of mixed. I think it’s a great record. And everybody personally that has bought it, and has written to me, has said that it’s great, and they’re real into it, so. I’m pretty happy with the outcome of it.
Interviewer: So am I. This is my best release. This is my best seller.
GG Allin: And it’s one of those records which will sell forever. I was talking to Neil Hooper about Roar. And that album came out in 1985 and I was talking to him a couple of weeks ago and I said it’s everywhere, still, and he says yeah I put that record out and they keep selling it. Every year it sells more copy. I mean, your album, if people still want to put it up, then it’ll sell forever.
GG Allin: You know, they just, you know, it seems like as the years go on people seem like they want my stuff more, even the older stuff. So I think it’s one of those records that probably in a year or two, people will be like wow I want that record. But it’s not something that you can keep putting out.
GG Allin: I’ve got the master there, so. I’m just going to keep doing it as long as it’ll go.
Interviewer: That I will.
GG Allin: Okay, Stuart, I’m going to get on here and I’ll be in touch. I’ll get back to you in three or four weeks. As soon as I find out, I’ll let you know.
Interviewer: Okay. I’ll give your brother a call tomorrow or Thursday.
GG Allin: Ok, I’ll send you that stuff.
GG Allin: Okay, bye.